My pal Tony is still alive and we keep in touch at least once a week. He went to King's college and I went to Cardiff High. We both wanted Electrical Engineering training. It was during the war and Brewers had this hand truck and I can remember, now Penarth Road, you have got no idea, Penarth Road was like a country lane. I remember Tony and I had to push this truck to Penarth, up the hill. It was loaded and we used to hate it. They also had a carrier bike with a little wheel on the front and a big wheel on the back. Tony said I am not riding that, he thought it was beneath him. They used apprentices as cheap labour. Frank the chief engineer, he was the last of the Victorian people there. He loaded this bike up and said to Tony right off you go. He was supposed to go past Kings College where he went to school Tony was terrible. He got on and wobbled a few times then at the end of the street he fell off and the stuff went everywhere. He said, I couldn't ride it Mr. Waters I can't ride it.